Dont ruin lykan

AthozOrion wrote:

LPvP tournament is general test for Lycans. I hope my opinion about nerf is wrong and Lycan will be good char like now.

DLK wrote:

But I still want see answer from Metin2 Team why Crimson's DMG is nerfed. Any arguments can You present?

Lol,they argue that lot of time.The lykan damage it waz too hight comparative the other caracters,and beside this,he hase much more advantages,than any other caracter have.It looks normal for u to a lykan caracter to give more dmg on skills than mental warrios,ninja,etc and more dmg on hit than sura am,body warrior ,and to have wery low cooldown on skills (whit much casting time on items u can do skill after skill).So the most big dmg on skill from the game and a wery low cooldown? only that waz just OP.They also have critics on skills,and pircing on crimsoul.And blody on shreed.
The reduction of the dmg is the ultimate solution to make it fair in pvp,and pvm,but they have lot more advantages.If u ask me,i would make shreed and wolf claws at 15 seconds coldown,i would reduce the critic change from skills to 5%,i would totaly eliminate the pircing chance from crimson soul, and reduce the change of bleeding from shreed.And keep the atack dmg.

DLK wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

LPvP tournament is general test for Lycans. I hope my opinion about nerf is wrong and Lycan will be good char like now.

DLK wrote:

But I still want see answer from Metin2 Team why Crimson's DMG is nerfed. Any arguments can You present?

Lol,they argue that lot of time.The lykan damage it waz too hight comparative the other caracters,and beside this,he hase much more advantages,than any other caracter have.It looks normal for u to a lykan caracter to give more dmg on skills than mental warrios,ninja,etc and more dmg on hit than sura am,body warrior ,and to have wery low cooldown on skills (whit much casting time on items u can do skill after skill).So the most big dmg on skill from the game and a wery low cooldown? only that waz just OP.They also have critics on skills,and pircing on crimsoul.And blody on shreed.The reduction of the dmg is the ultimate solution to make it fair in pvp,and pvm,but they have lot more advantages.If u ask me,i would make shreed and wolf claws at 15 seconds coldown,i would reduce the critic change from skills to 5%,i would totaly eliminate the pircing chance from crimson soul, and reduce the change of bleeding from shreed.And keep the atack dmg.

Dude.. Have You played a Lycan on High lv (I mean 105+)? Lycan is weak in PvP when opponent have 60% abs for Claws or more, combo of Lycan is useless. Any changes on Lycan should be maybe in offensive skills (reduced critical chance in skill or something...) I'll wait for PvP Tournament

Apollykan wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

DLK wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

LPvP tournament is general test for Lycans. I hope my opinion about nerf is wrong and Lycan will be good char like now.

DLK wrote:

But I still want see answer from Metin2 Team why Crimson's DMG is nerfed. Any arguments can You present?

Lol,they argue that lot of time.The lykan damage it waz too hight comparative the other caracters,and beside this,he hase much more advantages,than any other caracter have.It looks normal for u to a lykan caracter to give more dmg on skills than mental warrios,ninja,etc and more dmg on hit than sura am,body warrior ,and to have wery low cooldown on skills (whit much casting time on items u can do skill after skill).So the most big dmg on skill from the game and a wery low cooldown? only that waz just OP.They also have critics on skills,and pircing on crimsoul.And blody on shreed.The reduction of the dmg is the ultimate solution to make it fair in pvp,and pvm,but they have lot more advantages.If u ask me,i would make shreed and wolf claws at 15 seconds coldown,i would reduce the critic change from skills to 5%,i would totaly eliminate the pircing chance from crimson soul, and reduce the change of bleeding from shreed.And keep the atack dmg.

Dude.. Have You played a Lycan on High lv (I mean 105+)? Lycan is weak in PvP when opponent have 60% abs for Claws or more, combo of Lycan is useless. Any changes on Lycan should be maybe in offensive skills (reduced critical chance in skill or something...) I'll wait for PvP Tournament

If a lvl 105 mental give lets say 10k on spirit strike,and a lvl 105 lykan 15k on shreed or wolf breth what means is still give more damege on 60% rezistence than mental warrior do.And a lvl 105 lykan on 60 + shild still give a massive dmg.Yea is ussless if u fight a player whit 90% claw rezistence but this is gamegorge fault by adding only pay to win items on IS.

mental warrior even without the nerf on lycans was still the record damage..

AthozOrion wrote:

StopRuinLycan wrote:

AthozOrion

equilibration?


is this quilibration? lycan is strongest in this game? no then why need so much nerf like this mental wariors getting nerf? or knives ninjas? this is just make more money politic they taking away perfect ruby str from lycans 132 int +950 to 680 also they taking base damage 585 to 470 and int bump 6.6 to 4.5 and duration 175 to 92 try to see big picture they emposing like they did 585 to 470 only but they taking int bump and duration to stop sleeping lycans lose +350 str 83 sec duration right now stop sleeping

Lykans vs other caracter whit same equipment,same alchimy beat all of them (maybe except sura BM ,but only because BM is too OP).So dont cry me and say lykan is weak on live servers.
It is look normal for u,a lykan to give more dmg shit shreed than spirit strike of mental warrior? ,more dmg whit wolf claws than bash of mental warrior ? Lot more dmg on hit than body warrior,or sura AM do?
And after all of that it have 12 seconds casting time on shreed and wolf claws ,and mental warrior have 15 seconds on spirit strike and bash.Pircing chance on crimson soul,critical chance on skills,chance of bleeding on shreed.Lykan have more advantages than any other caracter have ! And is good both in pvp or pvm.
Ok if u are so anoyed by reducing atack dmg,lets keep the atack and remove pircing change from crimson soul,remove critical chance from skills (or now whit new critical nerf let it be there,because dosent metter),reduce chance of bleeding from shreed,and make shred and wolfclaws castig time from 12 sec to 15 sec.

unforgiven wrote:

Now, now, we call all discuss without curse words or insulting each other.

darkdev315 wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

StopRuinLycan wrote:

AthozOrion

equilibration?


is this quilibration? lycan is strongest in this game? no then why need so much nerf like this mental wariors getting nerf? or knives ninjas? this is just make more money politic they taking away perfect ruby str from lycans 132 int +950 to 680 also they taking base damage 585 to 470 and int bump 6.6 to 4.5 and duration 175 to 92 try to see big picture they emposing like they did 585 to 470 only but they taking int bump and duration to stop sleeping lycans lose +350 str 83 sec duration right now stop sleeping

Lykans vs other caracter whit same equipment,same alchimy beat all of them (maybe except sura BM ,but only because BM is too OP).So dont cry me and say lykan is weak on live servers.It is look normal for u,a lykan to give more dmg shit shreed than spirit strike of mental warrior? ,more dmg whit wolf claws than bash of mental warrior ? Lot more dmg on hit than body warrior,or sura AM do?
And after all of that it have 12 seconds casting time on shreed and wolf claws ,and mental warrior have 15 seconds on spirit strike and bash.Pircing chance on crimson soul,critical chance on skills,chance of bleeding on shreed.Lykan have more advantages than any other caracter have ! And is good both in pvp or pvm.
Ok if u are so anoyed by reducing atack dmg,lets keep the atack and remove pircing change from crimson soul,remove critical chance from skills (or now whit new critical nerf let it be there,because dosent metter),reduce chance of bleeding from shreed,and make shred and wolfclaws castig time from 12 sec to 15 sec.

Man you don't know what you are talking. It is obvious that you never did PvP on your official server at a more higher level (100+).
How can you say that Lycan has more advantages than other any characters? Are you insane?

The most simple example (and I hope you understand) is this one:

- Lycan, on 0 claws, it's true, they can have ridiculous damages on Wolf Breath, like 20.000+ damage normal, without critic.
- Ninja, on 0 dagger, on Ambush, they give like more 11-15K damage normal.

But,
- Lycan, on 60 claws, they give like 1.5K on Wolf's Breath while the Ninja gives on 60 dagger still around 4-5-6K on Ambush.

Imagine if I get someone with 75 Claws at a 1v1 or at a tournament, what do I do then? I give 500 skill?
And don't try to deny this because I tested it myself, both on Beta and Official.

unforgiven wrote:

Now, now, we call all discuss without curse words or insulting each other.

Please take in consideration to modify the value of Attack given by Crimson Wolf with 90 Int on status and Claws, Shield with 12 int, Heaven's Tear Earrings smoothened with Heaven's Tear finish, and with Pearl Necklace+9 to have a full Int set. Not mentioned the Diamond for Alchemy.
After a lot of Lycans saw this update that will come, they are already beginning to trade their Lycan accounts like for nothing, way more under they value, or even to quit the game.

And so lycan's have ridiculous low damage on full Claws right now, you want to make it even Lower. It will show Miss when we hit skills on enemies. This is not kinda fair for plenty of people who invested time, money and hours of farming into Alchemy and Items to nerf Lycan so damn hard.

Sorry if I have grammar mistakes. Not native English speaker.

Cheers.

AthozOrion wrote:

darkdev315 wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

StopRuinLycan wrote:

AthozOrion

equilibration?


is this quilibration? lycan is strongest in this game? no then why need so much nerf like this mental wariors getting nerf? or knives ninjas? this is just make more money politic they taking away perfect ruby str from lycans 132 int +950 to 680 also they taking base damage 585 to 470 and int bump 6.6 to 4.5 and duration 175 to 92 try to see big picture they emposing like they did 585 to 470 only but they taking int bump and duration to stop sleeping lycans lose +350 str 83 sec duration right now stop sleeping

Lykans vs other caracter whit same equipment,same alchimy beat all of them (maybe except sura BM ,but only because BM is too OP).So dont cry me and say lykan is weak on live servers.It is look normal for u,a lykan to give more dmg shit shreed than spirit strike of mental warrior? ,more dmg whit wolf claws than bash of mental warrior ? Lot more dmg on hit than body warrior,or sura AM do?And after all of that it have 12 seconds casting time on shreed and wolf claws ,and mental warrior have 15 seconds on spirit strike and bash.Pircing chance on crimson soul,critical chance on skills,chance of bleeding on shreed.Lykan have more advantages than any other caracter have ! And is good both in pvp or pvm.
Ok if u are so anoyed by reducing atack dmg,lets keep the atack and remove pircing change from crimson soul,remove critical chance from skills (or now whit new critical nerf let it be there,because dosent metter),reduce chance of bleeding from shreed,and make shred and wolfclaws castig time from 12 sec to 15 sec.

Man you don't know what you are talking. It is obvious that you never did PvP on your official server at a more higher level (100+).How can you say that Lycan has more advantages than other any characters? Are you insane?

The most simple example (and I hope you understand) is this one:

- Lycan, on 0 claws, it's true, they can have ridiculous damages on Wolf Breath, like 20.000+ damage normal, without critic.
- Ninja, on 0 dagger, on Ambush, they give like more 11-15K damage normal.

But,
- Lycan, on 60 claws, they give like 1.5K on Wolf's Breath while the Ninja gives on 60 dagger still around 4-5-6K on Ambush.

Imagine if I get someone with 75 Claws at a 1v1 or at a tournament, what do I do then? I give 500 skill?
And don't try to deny this because I tested it myself, both on Beta and Official.

unforgiven wrote:

Now, now, we call all discuss without curse words or insulting each other.

Please take in consideration to modify the value of Attack given by Crimson Wolf with 90 Int on status and Claws, Shield with 12 int, Heaven's Tear Earrings smoothened with Heaven's Tear finish, and with Pearl Necklace+9 to have a full Int set. Not mentioned the Diamond for Alchemy.After a lot of Lycans saw this update that will come, they are already beginning to trade their Lycan accounts like for nothing, way more under they value, or even to quit the game.

And so lycan's have ridiculous low damage on full Claws right now, you want to make it even Lower. It will show Miss when we hit skills on enemies. This is not kinda fair for plenty of people who invested time, money and hours of farming into Alchemy and Items to nerf Lycan so damn hard.

Sorry if I have grammar mistakes. Not native English speaker.

Cheers.

This is the most ridicolous thing i read.Lykan on 60 claws give 1,5k dmg ? :))))) .dude if lykan on 0 give for exeple 20k and on 60 rezistence 8k ,ninja if give on 0 10k on 60 will give 4k ok ?

darkdev315 wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

darkdev315 wrote:

AthozOrion wrote:

StopRuinLycan wrote:

AthozOrion

equilibration?


is this quilibration? lycan is strongest in this game? no then why need so much nerf like this mental wariors getting nerf? or knives ninjas? this is just make more money politic they taking away perfect ruby str from lycans 132 int +950 to 680 also they taking base damage 585 to 470 and int bump 6.6 to 4.5 and duration 175 to 92 try to see big picture they emposing like they did 585 to 470 only but they taking int bump and duration to stop sleeping lycans lose +350 str 83 sec duration right now stop sleeping

Lykans vs other caracter whit same equipment,same alchimy beat all of them (maybe except sura BM ,but only because BM is too OP).So dont cry me and say lykan is weak on live servers.It is look normal for u,a lykan to give more dmg shit shreed than spirit strike of mental warrior? ,more dmg whit wolf claws than bash of mental warrior ? Lot more dmg on hit than body warrior,or sura AM do?And after all of that it have 12 seconds casting time on shreed and wolf claws ,and mental warrior have 15 seconds on spirit strike and bash.Pircing chance on crimson soul,critical chance on skills,chance of bleeding on shreed.Lykan have more advantages than any other caracter have ! And is good both in pvp or pvm.Ok if u are so anoyed by reducing atack dmg,lets keep the atack and remove pircing change from crimson soul,remove critical chance from skills (or now whit new critical nerf let it be there,because dosent metter),reduce chance of bleeding from shreed,and make shred and wolfclaws castig time from 12 sec to 15 sec.

Man you don't know what you are talking. It is obvious that you never did PvP on your official server at a more higher level (100+).How can you say that Lycan has more advantages than other any characters? Are you insane?
The most simple example (and I hope you understand) is this one:

- Lycan, on 0 claws, it's true, they can have ridiculous damages on Wolf Breath, like 20.000+ damage normal, without critic.
- Ninja, on 0 dagger, on Ambush, they give like more 11-15K damage normal.

But,
- Lycan, on 60 claws, they give like 1.5K on Wolf's Breath while the Ninja gives on 60 dagger still around 4-5-6K on Ambush.

Imagine if I get someone with 75 Claws at a 1v1 or at a tournament, what do I do then? I give 500 skill?
And don't try to deny this because I tested it myself, both on Beta and Official.

unforgiven wrote:

Now, now, we call all discuss without curse words or insulting each other.

Please take in consideration to modify the value of Attack given by Crimson Wolf with 90 Int on status and Claws, Shield with 12 int, Heaven's Tear Earrings smoothened with Heaven's Tear finish, and with Pearl Necklace+9 to have a full Int set. Not mentioned the Diamond for Alchemy.After a lot of Lycans saw this update that will come, they are already beginning to trade their Lycan accounts like for nothing, way more under they value, or even to quit the game.
And so lycan's have ridiculous low damage on full Claws right now, you want to make it even Lower. It will show Miss when we hit skills on enemies. This is not kinda fair for plenty of people who invested time, money and hours of farming into Alchemy and Items to nerf Lycan so damn hard.

Sorry if I have grammar mistakes. Not native English speaker.

Cheers.

This is the most ridicolous thing i read.Lykan on 60 claws give 1,5k dmg ? :))))) .dude if lykan on 0 give for exeple 20k and on 60 rezistence 8k ,ninja if give on 0 10k on 60 will give 4k ok ?

I tested my damage on a level 90 BM on the offcial server. He had 60 claws.But I hadn't the level 100 helmet+7 with 10hh full bonuses, my bracelet with 10hh, no berseker on pet, no khan, no sapphire at all, and no claws,shield with 12 int and pearl necklace+9.

My damage was about ~1400 normal on Wolf's Breath and ~1000 on Wolf's Claw.

On level 90 BM attention. What was my damage on a level 105+ with a much way better alchemy than his? (Matt/Clear alchemy)

AthozOrion wrote:

LPvP tournament is general test for Lycans. I hope my opinion about nerf is wrong and Lycan will be good char like now.

DLK wrote:

But I still want see answer from Metin2 Team why Crimson's DMG is nerfed. Any arguments can You present?

Lol,they argue that lot of time.The lykan damage it waz too hight comparative the other caracters,and beside this,he hase much more advantages,than any other caracter have.It looks normal for u to a lykan caracter to give more dmg on skills than mental warrios,ninja,etc and more dmg on hit than sura am,body warrior ,and to have wery low cooldown on skills (whit much casting time on items u can do skill after skill).So the most big dmg on skill from the game and a wery low cooldown? only that waz just OP.They also have critics on skills,and pircing on crimsoul.And blody on shreed.
The reduction of the dmg is the ultimate solution to make it fair in pvp,and pvm,but they have lot more advantages.If u ask me,i would make shreed and wolf claws at 15 seconds coldown,i would reduce the critic change from skills to 5%,i would totaly eliminate the pircing chance from crimson soul, and reduce the change of bleeding from shreed.And keep the atack dmg.